anti-logic:
Once upon a time, there were words here. There aren’t anymore.
This is perfectly valid reasoning, but the objection was to you being so ready to accept that Kanaya could be attracted to males, even just in a heacanon, but also insist that shipping John with a dude would be “inane” even though most (if not all!) shippers of John/Karkat or John/Dave are very aware that their ship is not canon, and John in all likelihood really is straight. What makes this so much worse than your Kanaya bit? Especially given your history of much more “obnoxious and rude” responses than this. “You’re not right,” but you are apparently “more right than them.”
It just smacks of hypocrisy, is all. Especially because even though “human gay” isn’t quite the same thing as Alternian monosexuality or whatever you’d like to call it, Kanaya is gay by Word of God and John, in the words of CV, is “straight by hilarious punchline.” An in-universe declaration. Although we haven’t been given any reason to doubt that this is true in canon, it doesn’t mean that people aren’t allowed to have other headcanons such as, say, John is thirteen and still working things out for himself, or John is in denial because he’s thirteen and being a kid is hard, or John is bisexual or asexual homoromantic, or some dude is ~the exception to the rule~, or whatever other fic reasoning you can come up with, patently ridiculous or completely sane.
These headcanons still would be acceptable in-universe because they don’t contradict any evidence except for John’s dialog, which is not by nature consistent of indisputable truths, whereas Kanaya’s situation is harder to make a case for (and according to a lot of people, it’s pretty sketchy to get rid of a character’s queerness but fight for the straightness of another. But that’s a different argument entirely). Besides, fic in itself is an AU situation, set up to be a “what if” splitting off from canon events and relationships. Why is it inane to give an AU such a pairing? Just because you personally don’t think it makes sense doesn’t mean people who ship it are delusional or stupid. They are aware that they are not shipping a canon pairing. It just doesn’t matter.
tl;dr shipping wars are stupid.
Thanks for leaving “kudos” on my Rose/Jade story, by the way. Nice to see you’re okay with gay kids with no canon subtext whatsoever as long as they’re lesbians.
I’m going to ignore the closing quip about your story. I don’t want to get into a deconstruction of Rose/Jade as a pairing since that would be a blog post unto itself. But I will say that “No Support” is not the least amount of support a pairing can have and that how you write something matters just as much as what you write.
I’ll get into that shit at a later date. Right now I have actually relevant things to address.
“You’re not right, but you’re apparently more right then them.”
Yes.
“it just smacks of hypocrisy, is all. Especially because even though “human gay” isn’t quite the same thing as Alternian monosexuality or whatever you’d like to call it, Kanaya is gay by Word of God”
Which is why I said as much? What I outlined doesn’t end with “And then Kanaya got bukkaked by all of the troll boys, John and Dave, Dad, Bro, Grandpa, WV, AR, WK, Doc Scratch, The Felt and The Midnight Crew. It ends with “And that’s why it could theoretically be possible to write a plausible sounding Kanaya/Male fic, provided you write it well enough.”
Kanaya has been confirmed by word of god to be “Gay by human standards”, however the whole thing leaves plenty of wiggle room if you want to speculate/extrapolate. In other words, you don’t have to contradict canon to make it work if you think about it and work really hard.
“and John, in the words of CV, is “straight by hilarious punchline.” An in-universe declaration. Although we haven’t been given any reason to doubt that this is true in canon, it doesn’t mean that people aren’t allowed to have other headcanons such as, say, John is thirteen and still working things out for himself, or John is in denial because he’s thirteen and being a kid is hard, or John is bisexual or asexual homoromantic, or some dude is ~the exception to the rule~, or whatever other fic reasoning you can come up with, patently ridiculous or completely sane.”
Except for the fact that it does. Don’t try to draw a false equivalency, I’m too quick for that.
The evidence for Kanaya being a lesbian is summed up in two statements.
1. She has only pursued or shown romantic interest in women.
2. Word of God has declared her to be the Alternian Equivalent of a lesbian, and that she is unmistakably gay by human standards.
You’ll notice that this only confirms she is interested in women, it doesn’t disprove that she could ever, possibly be interested in men, particularly the way I laid out the possibility. Which I remind you is NOT CANON.
The evidence for John being heterosexual however has far less basis, being summed up in one sentence.
1. He rejected the romantic advancement of another on the grounds of his sexuality.
Which confirms he is either not interested in boys, or not interested in Karkat in particular.
“These headcanons still would be acceptable in-universe because they don’t contradict any evidence except for John’s dialog, which is not by nature consistent of indisputable truths,”
Doc Scratch could have said it and people would still ignore it.
I’m not approaching the subject of John/Karkat right now. I intend to explain things more indepth later and I don’t care to repeat myself.
However I will say this. Sexuality is a very complicated subject. Being in denial about your sexuality does not go away that easily.
Simplifying that internal conflict down to the incredibly shallow level that most writers do just for the sake of a pairing isn’t just poor writing, it’s borderline offensive in my eyes.
IF you’re going to write John/Karkat… I disagree. But the least you can do is do it fucking right.
EDIT: Retraction. Reworded the “Denial will break you.” bit to something less stupid.
