I Say Things

shokiade:

is the ship that shamelessly nullifies both parties’ canon involvements in that quadrant and erases one character’s romantic orientation (symbolically, if not outright literally). And of course John♦Vriska continues to take needless precedence over John♥Vriska.

Though I take a little comfort in that the first boycock ships only start limping in around eighth place.

To be fair, most of the John♥Vriska entries were kind of crappy by comparison. The first and third round entries were art and the second round had a particularly atrocious prompt.

But yeah, John♥Karkat almost certainly did not deserve to win. The results from round two convinced me there was substantial bias in the voting and I knew by that point that it was going to end up winning, deservedly or not.

Or it could have been Karkat♦Kanaya I suppose.

I have less of a problem with this, at the time that the HSO started this ship had yet to be officially sinked by Karkat♦Gamzee. I also don’t find it that unreasonable that Kanaya’s sexual and platonic tastes in relationships may differ.

But really, the HSO was run horribly to begin with, what did you really expect?

The entire system was poorly thought out to a degree that should have been embarrassing.

I’ve been considering writing up a blog post criticizing the event and pointing out all of the weak points and missteps in it’s organization.

palilicium:

shokiade:

palilicium:

shokiade:

vexarian:

This past week has been both enlightening and insanely disappointing. I used to have a lot of respect for the Homestuck Fandom as a whole. But apparently it was terribly, terribly misplaced.

I started this whole stupid argument unintentionally, but with the premise that most of the people…

I had one eye on one of the HSO mods’ Tumblr for awhile, and she straight-up admitted that she was not interested in having you participate in HSO or any future fests she modded. You specifically. And specifically because your opinions and attitudes on shipping do not fall in line with hers.

Mods on the kink meme are also scouting out any excuse to just ban your ass as well, though they at least have the good decency to narrow their bloodhunt to meme-related behavior. I understand that your behavior there actually has been less than rule-compliant on a couple occasions, but what the hell.

This fandom is so full of grudgy, resentful cunts who purport to have the moral high ground while using underhanded tactics to get what they want.

I’m staying out of the argument otherwise, but I like how you claimed to have the moral high ground in protecting the fandom from being male-centric, and then go ahead and call everyone disagreeing with vexarian (hint: they’re mostly women) cunts.

“ But mostly? I hate the same privileging of masculinity over and over. I hate the preference for slashing male protagonist/male protagonist over paying attention to the compelling relationships shared by girls. I hate the same devaluing of women I and others have come to experience in every fandom and of which I, personally, am fucking tired.”

If you hate devaluing of women you should probably not call the ones that disagree with you cunts.

Just a friendly tip for not being a sexist asshole.

I am a woman too you fucking period stain. You do not get to police what I can and cannot say.

I’m not policing what you say!  You are certainly free to call people who disagree with you cunts, and I am certainly free to say that makes you a sexist asshole.

Hope that helps.

shokiade:

vexarian:

shokiade:

notdigiorno:

shokiade:

vexarian:

This past week has been both enlightening and insanely disappointing. I used to have a lot of respect for the Homestuck Fandom as a whole. But apparently it was terribly, terribly misplaced.

I started this whole stupid argument unintentionally, but with the premise that most of the people…

I had one eye on one of the HSO mods’ Tumblr for awhile, and she straight-up admitted that she was not interested in having you participate in HSO or any future fests she modded. You specifically. And specifically because your opinions and attitudes on shipping do not fall in line with hers.

Mods on the kink meme are also scouting out any excuse to just ban your ass as well, though they at least have the good decency to narrow their bloodhunt to meme-related behavior. I understand that your behavior there actually has been less than rule-compliant on a couple occasions, but what the hell.

This fandom is so full of grudgy, resentful cunts who purport to have the moral high ground while using underhanded tactics to get what they want.

I’m curious, shokiade, as to what you think about Vex’s use of misogynistic language and purposeful misgendering of all of his opponents. Is literally the only reason you’re such a big fan because you both dislike Johnslash? I mean jesus, it’s such an accidental similarity. If that weren’t true I think you’d be one of his biggest haters.

You’re kind of a huge hypocrite. 

Well, I also happen to think Vex has better attitudes toward the treatment of (and respect for) canon in fanwork than 99% of the Homestuck fanbase does. So there’s that.

I am a bit dissatisfied with his misgendering of Meowgon specifically, but he has made his stance on that subject pretty clear and I don’t expect to be the one to change it. I’m only one person.

My default assumption for people on the internet tends to be male, at least until I am informed or otherwise inclined to believe otherwise. As such I tend to default to masculine pronouns. Of course I immediately switch when I can, I don’t like to misrepresent anyone.

The problem lies in the fact that I am trying to hold a conversation with something in the area of two dozen tumblr accounts and nearly two hundred anonymous asks and everything is just sort of blending together into one homogenous group. I can’t remember who the hell you people are, much less which gender you are and I have more important things to worry about then switching all of my pronouns into awkward gender-neutrals.

Also, did I get Meowgon’s gender wrong? I remembered the misgendering nonsense halfway through my last post and It would probably be just the sort of bullshit irony waiting for me.

Meowgon is male. He’s also transgendered (and pretty open about this fact). So the whole him her nonsense struck a pretty sour note in that it could easily have been read as a deliberate slur against his trans status. If it wasn’t, I’m willing to take your word for that, but it’s still pretty unfortunate.

…

FUCK!

Of all the ways to screw up…

Went back and fixed the pronouns.

shokiade:

notdigiorno:

shokiade:

vexarian:

This past week has been both enlightening and insanely disappointing. I used to have a lot of respect for the Homestuck Fandom as a whole. But apparently it was terribly, terribly misplaced.

I started this whole stupid argument unintentionally, but with the premise that most of the people…

I had one eye on one of the HSO mods’ Tumblr for awhile, and she straight-up admitted that she was not interested in having you participate in HSO or any future fests she modded. You specifically. And specifically because your opinions and attitudes on shipping do not fall in line with hers.

Mods on the kink meme are also scouting out any excuse to just ban your ass as well, though they at least have the good decency to narrow their bloodhunt to meme-related behavior. I understand that your behavior there actually has been less than rule-compliant on a couple occasions, but what the hell.

This fandom is so full of grudgy, resentful cunts who purport to have the moral high ground while using underhanded tactics to get what they want.

I’m curious, shokiade, as to what you think about Vex’s use of misogynistic language and purposeful misgendering of all of his opponents. Is literally the only reason you’re such a big fan because you both dislike Johnslash? I mean jesus, it’s such an accidental similarity. If that weren’t true I think you’d be one of his biggest haters.

You’re kind of a huge hypocrite. 

Well, I also happen to think Vex has better attitudes toward the treatment of (and respect for) canon in fanwork than 99% of the Homestuck fanbase does. So there’s that.

I am a bit dissatisfied with his misgendering of Meowgon specifically, but he has made his stance on that subject pretty clear and I don’t expect to be the one to change it. I’m only one person.

My default assumption for people on the internet tends to be male, at least until I am informed or otherwise inclined to believe otherwise. As such I tend to default to masculine pronouns. Of course I immediately switch when I can, I don’t like to misrepresent anyone.

The problem lies in the fact that I am trying to hold a conversation with something in the area of two dozen tumblr accounts and nearly two hundred anonymous asks and everything is just sort of blending together into one homogenous group. I can’t remember who the hell you people are, much less which gender you are and I have more important things to worry about then switching all of my pronouns into awkward gender-neutrals.

Also, did I get Meowgon’s gender wrong? I remembered the misgendering nonsense halfway through my last post and decided to switch. It would probably be just the sort of bullshit irony waiting for me.

vexarian:

Someone made a prompt that was just… just terrible. I don’t blame them for how terrible it was, not everyone can be a writer, but jeez.

The prompt WAS, “Alpha!John/Terezi, Beta!John/Dead!Vriska”.

Now I realize this may not seem too awful at a glance, but think about this for a…

Yes I did realize the possibility of a spite!fill like that where I just utterly take the piss out of the prompter and write the situation the way it would realistically have to go down. But at the time it was just after Vriska’s death and before we started really ripping it to shreds in RomSpec so I was a little sore on the subject.

There’s also the fact that I’m a complete wuss. I have a hard time writing anything depressing like that. I keep wanting to try though so I’ll probably do something like that eventually.

shokiade:

vexarian:

This past week has been both enlightening and insanely disappointing. I used to have a lot of respect for the Homestuck Fandom as a whole. But apparently it was terribly, terribly misplaced.

I started this whole stupid argument unintentionally, but with the premise that most of the people…

I had one eye on one of the HSO mods’ Tumblr for awhile, and she straight-up admitted that she was not interested in having you participate in HSO or any future fests she modded. You specifically. And specifically because your opinions and attitudes on shipping do not fall in line with hers.

Mods on the kink meme are also scouting out any excuse to just ban your ass as well, though they at least have the good decency to narrow their bloodhunt to meme-related behavior. I understand that your behavior there actually has been less than rule-compliant on a couple occasions, but what the hell.

This fandom is so full of grudgy, resentful cunts who purport to have the moral high ground while using underhanded tactics to get what they want.

On the Kinkmeme there have actually been two times I’ve been acting like a jackass.

The second time was when I noticed something about a prompt halfway through an enthusiastic response and my response turned less then enthusiastic as a result. In retrospect I should have just bailed out of responding entirely, but whatever. I was a bit prickly toward the mod that stepped in however, which was also just poor manners. This was right after that bullshit three weeks ago with the easily misinterpreted Eternal review and Meowgon was blatant in his (Edit: Wrong pronoun) dislike of me, essentially stating he would ban me if given the opportunity.

The first time was more reasonable however. Someone made a prompt that was just… just terrible. I don’t blame them for how terrible it was, not everyone can be a writer, but jeez.

The prompt WAS, “Alpha!John/Terezi, Beta!John/Dead!Vriska”.

Now I realize this may not seem too awful at a glance, but think about this for a second. What is the series of events which would have to come to play for this to become a thing?

1. Vriska interacts with John as she did in Canon.

2. Vriska confesses that she likes John and wants to d8 him.

3. John accepts the d8 and says he’d like to.

4. Vriska is murdered by Terezi, never receives John’s response.

5. Vriska is now dead. She hooks up, eventually with Beta!John who Terezi murdered, a version of John who never actually met her and knows nothing about her or the time they spent talking/interacting with one another. This is basically what canon is to the uninformed non-speculator and it hasn’t stopped being a shitty, sloppy pile of bullshit since the first Beta!John scene.

6. At some point in the future, Terezi hooks up with Alpha!John.

Conclusion: Vriska is now dead and from a narrative perspective she is in an utterly unsatisfying relationship. Terezi, who is the girl who murdered Vriska is now dating what is essentially the boy that Vriska had the hots for. John, who wanted to date Vriska is now dating her murderer.

I cannot possibly be anything but upset by how utterly miserable this prompt becomes with a little dissection. Vriska ends up in an insanely shitty situation. Terezi becomes the bitch of the highest order who murders her friends and steals their men and John becomes a completely unlikable fuck.

I am convinced that this prompt, if written would wound me somehow. Possibly my soul or whatever part of my brain is responsible for sadness.

My response was mostly disappointment. However, I did feel bad for responding negatively to the prompter (at least after the mods stepped in), and decided to figure out a way to make the prompt less then shitty and write something for it as a way to sort-of apologize. I didn’t say I was doing this because I had wanted it to be something of a surprise/joke but I really haven’t gotten all that much done for it, just an introduction really. My lack of progress really disappointed me.

The solution is actually surprisingly straight forward, just nick off the dead! from Vriska and swap the Johns. Alpha!John/Vriska and Beta!John/Terezi. Vriska gets the John she deserves while Terezi gets the one she was responsible for. Fits really nicely. I’ve even got a story planned out for this whole batch of nonsense but I still have to get around to writing it eventually. I’d rather not reveal the actual details because I would still like to write it sooner or later.